Cricinfo Blogs
cricinfo.com About cricinfoblogs
Beyond The Blues Beyond The Test World Different Strokes From the Editor Girls Aloud Iain O'Brien Inbox
It Figures Pak Spin Shot Selection The Buzz The Confectionery Stall The Surfer Tour Diaries

Cricinfo Blogs Home
Inbox From our readers

« Pace like fire | | Socrates on KP »

Predictions for 2009

Posted by Cricinfo - on 01/08/2009

From Brendan Layton, Australia

What are the predictions so far for '09? Will Australia be still number one by the end of the year? Will South Africa or India have overtaken them? Who will be the top batsmen? The top bowlers? The new heroes? I'm happy to pick up the slack and make my brave predictions for the new year, and I hope we can get some discussion going.

Firstly, Australia will no longer be number one (This is of course referring to the ICC ranking system). We'll probably get beaten in South Africa, although if Stuart Clark plays the result will be much closer than first thought. However, Australia should retain the Ashes.

England is a real mess at the moment. KP has resigned from the captaincy and there will be no Peter Moores. England is a shadow of the team that won the 2005 Ashes, although some of the heroes are still lingering around. Flintoff is still a force to be reckoned with, and KP is a genuine superstar batsman who can by dynamite against any opposition. However, their bowling attack is pretty flimsy, as is their choice of Bell at number three. Bell has never made a Test century unless another batsman has passed the mark before him, and while stylish, he just doesn't have any steel in his spine.

India and South Africa will define excellence in 2009, and while India are looking as good as ever, South Africa have the advantage due to their finely balanced bowling attack and the coming of age of several of their players (Namely De Villiers and Amla). India has a classy team, led by two fine fast bowlers in Zaheer and Ishant. Ishant has the mark of an all time great, and will continue to improve as long as he doesn't break down due to his somewhat frail physique. Their problem is their aging veterans, who are approaching their use by date (Namely Dravid, Laxman, and Tendulkar, although the latter two players have a year or two left in them).

Dhoni has a lot of charisma, and leads the team well, but India will not be able to challenge South Africa unless they win important series away from home. If they can beat the South African team outside of their comfort zone, then they will be the top side. In the meanwhile, they are probably one of the better limited overs sides around. And there is plenty of good young players coming through that could have a great affect on Indian cricket for the next few years. Look out for them at the 20/20 World Championship.

Sri Lanka have looked terrific since introducing Ajantha Mendis into their attack. While they will have to worry about how to replace Chaminda Vaas in the near future, they have a good team that can give any team a real shake on their day. They do tend to rely on Mahela Jayawardene and Kumar Sangakarra too much, but when they go strong, they will surprise. They could well provide India with some anxious moments if they tour there, especially if any turners make an appearance.

Pakistan, thankfully, are making some tours this year, including one to Australia. I'm glad they are getting some international cricket this year after a 2008 they'd rather forget. There will be no Mohammad Asif because of his idiotic drug taking, but Nasir Jamshed is a talented young opener, and they still have the services of Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir and Yasir Arafat, not to mention the Britney Spears of cricket, Shoaib Ahktar.

New Zealand may bloom this year with their youthful team, but India is their first obstacle and their relatively pedestrian attack will struggle. A lot will fall onto Tim Southee, Kyle Mills, and the ever-reliable Daniel Vettori. Hopes will ride on the crop of young batsmen coming through (Jesse Ryder, Daniel Flynn and Ross Taylor) to find their feet this year. Keep your eyes on Flynn. He is a player who loves a scrap.

The West Indies had a long year, but the talent is there. Their fast bowling is a problem, but Jerome Taylor is still a damn good bowler. And Gayle, Sarwan, and the Shiv form a formidable batting trio. It is the rest of the team that needs to lift to match their depended-upon heroes. Another frustrating year looms.

Ah Bangladesh. The more things changed, the more things stayed the same. Any improvements were blown open by irresponsible batting, inadequate bowling, and a generally undisciplined approach, although they gave Sri Lanka a serious scare in their recent Test series by reaching a 4th innings total in excess of 400. Sakib Al Hasan looks to be an allrounder of immense promise, let's hope they nurture him well. Don't be surprised if they pull off a shock in the World 20/20.

Alrighty, looking at the schedule, I'll now make my predictions. The top Test run scorer of the year will be Virender Sehwag, although I reckon Michael Clarke will run him close this year. Both India and Australia have quite a few Test series this year. Sehwag always scores heavily, but Clarke is a batsman that is on the improve every year and his maturity has been evident this summer via several fighting knocks.

The top wicket-taker will be Mitchell Johnson. 'Johnno' had a good year in 2008 to finish equal second highest wicket taker, and I reckon he will enjoy the responsibility of being the number one. England will be facing an immensely improved and dangerous Johnson in England this year.

The top ODI run scorer will be, on a limb, either Gautum Gambhir or perhaps Kumar Sangakarra. Both are accomplished, and will face a glut of ODIs this year. The top ODI bowler is harder, but I'll go with Ajantha Mendis to elude second year syndrome and be a real force. Give us your opinions and let's get some lively discussion going.

 
Feedback Feedback
Comments Submit your piece >>

Posted by: Prasanna S at January 8, 2009 5:15 AM

>> Both India and Australia have quite a few Test series this year ..

India play only 5 tests this year, with a possible sixth in NZ....which year are you talking about?

Posted by: Pavan at January 8, 2009 5:59 AM

I am not sure I agree with Virender Sehwag as the highest scorer in tests. If I am not wrong, India has only 2 test series the whole year. As of now, they are free for almost 6-7 months. And, I don't see Sehwag scoring near to 1000 runs in 2 test series

Posted by: redneck at January 8, 2009 6:23 AM

i could well be wrong here but india only have 5 tests for the year (6 if new zealand grant their request) if this is the case sehwags gonna have to play out of his skin to top the leading test run scorers for the year? not beyond him but with australia, england and the west indies having around double the test matches india have it gives ponting, clarke, KP, gayle & chanderpaul and the others alot more oppertunities to take the leading run scorers mantle. still hats off to anyone who willing to put their predictions out there for people to judge! i think your close to the money with your choices. i hope clark comes up for south africa too, he, ponting and symonds have great stats playing over there! i would also like to add a prediction of my own... nathan bracken to be a regular in the aussie test team! based on his consistency in ODI team and the australian attacks need for a bowler who can tie down a end to build pressure

Posted by: Prashant at January 8, 2009 9:02 AM

Did you just write a long article on cricket without mentioning Sachin Tendulkar?
LOL.It almost seems to be invalid then.
How about a prediction on what the Greatest Modern batsman will do in 2009?

Posted by: Dimuthu Ratnayake at January 8, 2009 10:05 AM

to Prashant : my prediction for tendulkar in 2009 will be, he'll be quite ordinary and then play roughly 2 innings showing glimpses of his greatness, which will give enough fuel for fanatical indians to very angrily dismiss any "Best of 2009 XI" team someone on Cricinfo publishes.....

Posted by: TrevorM at January 8, 2009 10:10 AM

I am with you Redneck - I reckon Nathan Bracken should have been in the Aussie team for the past 12 months ahead of some of the other wannabe's. And I'm a VIC, not a NSW supporter!

Aussie team by end Feb in South Africa will be vastly different! The following will all be fit & available by then - Jaques, S.Clark, McGain, Symonds - not that I think Roy will be a walk-up start, he will have to prove himself - but how about a line-up that reads Katich, Jaques, Ponting, M.Hussey, M.Clarke, Symonds or North, Haddin, Johnson, Bracken, S.Clark, McGain or Siddle - looks a pretty strong line-up to me.

Then add back Lee for the Ashes, plus Hughes who will surely have convinced the selectors by then. Don't write the Aussies off yet!

Posted by: zzzz at January 8, 2009 10:19 AM

@Prashant,

He did mention Tendulkar!!!! 4th Paragraph, Last Line:)

Posted by: sunil at January 8, 2009 10:24 AM

predictions ??? since when, cricket has become predictable ??

Posted by: Nick at January 8, 2009 10:35 AM

"How about a prediction on what the Greatest Modern batsman will do in 2009?"

Retire?

Posted by: Eddy Richards at January 8, 2009 11:35 AM

Clearly England should bat Bell at no 11, to maximise the chances of someone else scoring a century first, so he can as well!

Posted by: Dunga at January 8, 2009 11:45 AM

Prashant, thats one hell of a misinformed, stupid comment.

I am sensing bias and obsession. And overrated syndrome.

Posted by: Godfrey at January 8, 2009 2:15 PM

Bear in mind that there is jp dumminy coming up and my guess is smith again and steyn will b the higher wicket taker for 09

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 8, 2009 3:01 PM

Australia will draw with South Africa at home & then England will wipe the floor with them in England.. that is my prediction.. after that there will be such wholesale changes in the new Aussie side (with Michael Clarke as captain) that it is anyones guess how they will go.. my guess is better than at the moment.

But India will continue to tour poorly I'd say.. so they'll never be number one. It will come down to Australia, England & SA just like the old days..

Now lets all hope that Pakistan can come back into the fold because they have some very exciting talent going to waste.

So that's it.. by the end of the year Australia drop to 3 or 4, and it will be a toss up between SA, Eng & Ind in the top 3.. with the remnants of a great Australian side still loitering around.

Posted by: Denzil at January 8, 2009 8:38 PM

To Geoffrey,
Your point about India may hold some water, but England alongwith Australia and SA will fight it out for the No.1 slot, I guess you are a die hard English fan to even conjure up England measuring up to Australia let alone SA. I hope you are keeping abreast of the media reports on factionalism within the English ranks, already an average team with the exception of Flintoff and Pieterson I am not sure how you think the English will mop the floor during the Ashes tour with the Aussies, in the current scenario it looks like England will struggle to put up a decent fight.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 9, 2009 5:35 AM

whenever any indian calls any indian player good or great, it is bias and whenever any aussie or english or protea fan calls their own players great, it is a well informed comment. very good. then a man like tendulkar who has performed consistently for 20 years everywhere in all forms of the game is a mediocre player at best, while players like jawawerdene, amla, michael clarke and just about every other non-indian batsman be it opener or tailender is a batting legend, playing for less than half of the time tendulkar has done. it is amazing to see most people including some indians who are not prepared to admit that tendulkar is a good batsman, let alone a great one.

Posted by: redneck at January 9, 2009 5:44 AM

Prashant, lol the greatest modern batsman of all time retired after the 07 world cup which his team hosted! therefor no need to predict what he will do!

Posted by: Prashant at January 9, 2009 5:47 AM

Love ALL the pakis coming out in full force with fudged names with their oh so old anti tendulkar tirade.
My prediction?
In 2009, Tendulkar will finally seal the debate as to who's the greatest of them all: Bradman or Tendulkar?
And It's the little master who will come out on top!
sounds like bias and obsession? You bet your A..!
But guess the likes of bradman,benaud,lara,ponting,warne,steve zzz etc etc are all obsessed with the Master too(all except for the dear pakis)

Posted by: Kaushik Lakshman at January 9, 2009 5:58 AM

People calling for Tendulkar's retirement should look at his performance in the last 2 series & then open their mouth. Barring injuries he should make it to WC 2011.He seems to be in magnificent form especially in tests.But somethings will not change. Ponting will continue to be the 3rd umpire on the field.The suggestion that England will be no.1 in tests is laughable.They might(its more of a hope) just clinch the ashes,but that will not elevate them to no.1.But if recent performance is anything to go by then they have no chance in hell in the ashes.Aussie domination will decrease ponting might lose his captaincy.We might see the likes of KP,Feddie in the IPL.Shane Warne will continue to amaze 1 & all in the IPL.The T20 WC is gonna b exciting.
Highest Test Run getter-Greame Smith
Highest Test wicketaker-Ajanta Mendis
Highest ODI run getter-Gautam Gambhir
Highest ODI wicketaker-Dale Steyn.Thankfully we will see Pakistan in action this year.Maybe gud umpiring in OZ for a nice change

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 9, 2009 6:19 AM

Denzil,

I am an Australian not an Englishman and I seem to be the only one who sees the tremendous potential in the England team..

I am mindful of a German general in the first world war who commented on the British troops..

"They fight like Lions but they are led by Donkeys"

If they ever get it right at the coaching/management/selection level then God help the rest of us.. England will be saying "watch my dust"..

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 9, 2009 7:15 AM

Prashant,

Just on your comments on Bradman v Tendulkar.. if you happened to actually ask Sachin if he felt that he was even close to the Don in batting talent he would laugh at you. And not from personal modesty either.

The Don averaged nearly 100 against bowlers who bowled under the old back foot no-ball rule whereby they were closer to the batsman by a yard. The pitches were also uncovered and he never wore helmets or any of the protection they have now. And the bats were tiny compared to the 3 pound monsters they have now.

So put Sachin on an uncovered wicket with no helmet and a bat half the size with bowlers a foot closer and see how he would go.

And I'm sorry I even bothered but ridiculous comments like Sachin being a better player than the Don just get me.

Posted by: Prashant at January 9, 2009 2:09 PM

@Geoffrey Plumridge
Read this article by Nasser Hussain:"Sachin's top of my bat pack".
Of course, this is just an eg...but the point is that ppl who have actually played the game at the HIGHEST LEVEL (unlike armchair critics like you and I claim Tendulkar has a valid shot as the Greatest ever).
I agree with your arguments...however you conveniently ignore the counter arguments.
What if:
Bradman had to play in a suddenly ODI infatuated country like India and like Tendulkar had play literally hundreds of ODIs?
What if Bradman had to play numerous teams on dozens of grounds (instead of basically just England on a handful of grounds?)
What if the standard of fielding was like today instead of yesteryear?
What if he had the so called "neutral" umpires which exist now? I remember even in the seventies/eighties you could simply pad up to almost any ball and if you were on the front foot there’s no way you would be given out.
I could go on... But these "blind" comparisons just get me.

Posted by: fromefrog at January 9, 2009 6:12 PM

number of Test nations reduced to five

Posted by: waqas at January 10, 2009 12:43 AM

@Prashant
ur absurd comments are rather degrading Sachin instead of supporting.ur comments about Pakis show how much boneheaded u are.Tendulkar is a great batsman but not a match winner at all especially in tests.he choked many times on decisive moments.another measure of greatness is comparison with their contemporaries and in this aspect Sachin in not even close to Don.i m not astonished anyway as i have seen a lot of ill-logical indian fans weighing Kumble, Bhajji,Pathan over Warne, Murali and Wasim and of course for u promising Ishant has done enough to prove his credentials over McGrath.i will like to see my indian mate commenting without a shade of his prejudice and animosity for his "dear Pakis".

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 10, 2009 1:31 AM

Prashant,

Don't really care how the Don would go in a one dayer, or how he would go today against more atheletic fielders. Fact is that he played under conditions that most batsman today would consider a nightmare.. and he averaged nearly hundred. Your argument holds absolutely no water when the next best batsman of his time Wally Hammond averaged in the 50's.. if you think that Wally Hammond, Dennis Compton or Len Hutton would be only averaging 25 today then you don't know your cricket. The Don was twice as good as anyone. Now or then. Now get off your Indian high horse and see that as a fact. Sachin is a great batsman no argument.. but to put him up there with the Don shows an ignorance of cricket.. the type played now and the type played in the past.

One more thing.. if Bangladesh were playing tests in the 30's he would have averaged 150.. not just the near hundred he got against the strongest nations playing at the time.

Posted by: Prashant at January 10, 2009 5:56 AM

@ Geoff, waq
Waq and co.
Like I said the dear pakis will only nitpick. I afraid the rubbish about picking say harbhajan and Pathan over Warne and McGrath is just that – absolute rubbish. And can only come from a nit picker. (No one with even a half arsed knowledge of cricket).
You will surely have 0.1 % of the general population who will be anti tendulkar, mostly for daft, personal reasons and the fact that they cannot see genius even if it slaps them in the face (or they refuse to do so, more for reasons of geographical basis than anything else). Even a humble, class act like Federer has his critics. You never know.
However, as compared to the 0.1% of the anti tendulkar general pop…u will have a relatively huge majority of pakis who are anti ten (and u can imagine why)
Geoff:
Before Sampras, Emerson had the Slam record. He played with wooden rackets, white balls (not hi-vi yellow), shitty tennis shoes etc etc etc.
Even Borg, Laver, Mac, Lendl et al didn’t win that many slams.
So? Its not how the “Don would go in a one dayer “. It his how playing hundreds of ODIs would impact his test game. And like I said, if the persons who have actually played the game at the highest level claim Tendulkar has a shot as the greatest, how much value does your opinion then have?
Most of the anti tendulkar tirade is by pakis, and /or people who have never held a cricket bat or have never played bowling more than 130 ks.
A good majority of the greatest batsman/observers of the modern generation have Tendulkar as the “Best they have ever seen”…Benaud, Woodcock, Lara, Ponting, Steve and mark Waugh, etc etc. (the bowlers will almost always have mixed opinions)
So…. what if Tendulkar had played some 50 Tests only,like the don (all relatively much fresher and injury free) and some first class games more for practice than anything? You can bet he’d have had far superior stats. No question.

Posted by: Prashant at January 10, 2009 6:05 AM

Just one more thing, The Don himself said Tendulkar reminded of himself.
Remember, the Don had obviously seen hundreds and hundreds of Batsman. He reserved this observation only for Tendulkar.
Now the important part: Players who actually watched both the Don and Tendukar said they actually play very differently!!
So what gives? Purely a case of Genius recognising Genius.
As they say : It takes talent to recognise Genius.
The Don and Tendulkar occupy a rarefied atmosphere among batsman, way beyond the comprehension of you, me or our dear friend (and his friends) waq here.

Posted by: Kaushik Lakshman at January 10, 2009 7:08 AM

a single batsmen cannot change the course of a test match......so calling Tendulkar a non match winner in tests is absolutely ridiculous....In tests a team needs to bat twice & take 20 wickets to win......so even if a batsmen scores a century in both innings(like Strauss) (or ponting 101,99) it did not help their side wins bcoz of a collective failure.....
Incase of australia in past 15 years collective failure has very rarely occured...so we tend to feel tht wen ponting scrs a century he is a match winner...true he contributed to the win but he is nt singlehandedly responsible..
For tendulkar it only now that India is no longer a 1 man army(pre 2003)......
Infact all Australians out here will remember his phenomenal record in australia but this has not helped us win bcoz the others have performed miserably(1999 tour)..he scrd 2 centuries && in both those innings the team total was not more than 220...

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 10, 2009 8:24 AM

Prashant,

I'm sorry but your argument is fairly toothless. Whereas in tennis balls, rackets and surfaces (and fitness) have changed dramatically cricket (with a few minor rule alterations) has altered little. Bats still made the same way, balls still made the same way, pitches still of the same material. Fact you ignored is that Sachin never played a SINGLE test on an uncovered wicket. Bradman played every test on uncovered pitches. So you do the math. And if you are saying that the Don would be averaging 60 odd today under the same conditions then again you ignored my argument that a great like Bill Ponsford would be averaging in the 30's. I simply don't believe any of it. Tendulkar's first class average is 58.94. Don's average is 95.14. You simply cannot argue with those stats. Unless you have a jingoistic chip on your shoulder about the nationality of the greatest batsman ever. Which obviously you do. As I said before write to Sachin and see what he says about your hypothesis.

Posted by: Prashant at January 10, 2009 1:54 PM

Well, don’t think uve read my comments properly?
Your direct linear extrapolation has no validity.
If so and so avg so much, therefore so and so would avg this. This not math, this is sport.
As regards the jingoistic nonsense again you conveniently ignore the fact that it is the Aussie legends, more than anyone, who have categorically said that tendulkar is the "best they have ever seen"
Some, like Woodcock, have also seen bradman.
Further, like the Nasser Hussein article, if world class test players also say that tendulkar is "arguably the greatest ever"(note I am referring to all non Indian, non "jingoistic" sources) then where on earth do you and your little arm chair arguments stand?
Read my second comment also. The don was a genius, tendulkar is a genius.
Tendulkar has NEVER got hit by a fast bowler in his prime, in the nineties. NEVER. Only when very young (as in 16!) or later besieged by umpteen injuries and poor form has this happened. So much for playing without helmets. We all know how the don fared during body line.
And tendulkar has played some of the greatest fast bowlers EVER. And lo and behold, guess what? Donald, and Akram, both state tendulkar is the best.
I would love to have seen the don against Donald, Akram, Shoaib and Warne. With hundreds of ODIs under his belt, with modern tech dissecting his technique, brilliant catchers, “neutral” umpires, almost unbearable pressure as in tendulkars case…
Tell you what, tendulkar would have done better.
Cheers.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 11, 2009 6:21 AM

I think South Africa will continue to be the best test team in 2009. It is disapponting to me as an Indian fan that India are playing only 5/6 tests this year. It doesnot give us an opportunity to guage the progress of the team properly. However, to be counted as one of the top teams India must win in NZ which it has not done in my lifetime(23 years). Australia will continue to win most matches while losing will occur more frequently than in the past. I really do not care a great deal about world T20 but as an ODI team, India will continue to be successful. And my appeal to two of the commentators above is to stop their bickering over Tendulkar, acknowledge both the Don and Sachin as the greatest of their respective generations and comment on the main article instead.

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 11, 2009 12:28 PM

Prashant,

You obviously have very little idea about cricket if you say that averages mean nothing. The batsmans job is to bat as long as they can for the most runs before they get out. Simple. Don was better at this than anyone by at least 40 runs per innings. Simple.
So use any jargon you like. The stats speak for themselves.
By the way the Don never got hit by bodyline. Shows how much you know. And I'd love to see Tendulkar facing Larwood & Voce with no helmet on an uncovered wicket with 8 balls out of 8 directed at his unprotected face. I wonder if he would average 56.57.. no, Tendulkar can't even average that against a normal attack, his test average is 54. So that should settle it. Don Bradman averaged more than Tendulkars Test Average against the worst bowling tactics ever known. Better than Bradman?? You work it out.

Posted by: Brendan Layton at January 11, 2009 12:52 PM

Some lively arguement here, I might weight into the Tendulkar/Bradman deabte by simply saying that it is impossible to really weigh up either batsman by virtues and opinions due to their different eras. It's like saying George Lohmann is a greater bowler than Malcolm Marshall only because he has the lowest average (10.75) for any bowler to take over 100 wickets. The arguement is there, but you have to take into account that Lohmann played on uncovered pitches and that Marshall also played in a monumentally great team.

Posted by: tombaan at January 11, 2009 2:48 PM

Prashant/geoffrey
It is stupid to compare batsmen of two different eras. Sachin has more games to play and more grounds to play in. At the same time he is more padded and helmented than even Gavaskar was at his best when he played marshall holding etc who were as lethal as akram or donald in my books.
Sachin and Don Bradman would be some of the best to have played the game and let us leave it at that. I have not seen don or know how cricket was played then. His stats are very good though he played fewer games for no fault of his against fewer opponents in uncovered pitches.
You will never win an argument on topics like these..don sachin are in a glass all by themself and leave it at that....

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 12, 2009 12:45 AM

Tombaan,

I'm sorry but you put players like Kallis, Ponting, Sobers, Viv Richards, Barrington, & Tendulkar in the same glass. With players like Barry Richards, Garry Sobers & Graeme Pollock on a shelf a little higher than that.

And then on the very top shelf, out of reach by a test average of 40+ is Donald George Bradman. The end.

Posted by: REDNECK at January 12, 2009 1:23 AM

well said geoffrey! this naive fool just doesnt see day light! he claims the waugh brothers and ponting see tendulker as the best they have ever seen but thats just it, bradman wasnt playing in their life times! lara would sound arrogant if he said himself as the best he seen and as for nasser hussein (one of the worst players to ever lead a side to australia!) wasnt he born in india? tendulker is a champion no doubt about it but NO ONE is in the same league as bradman!!! i wonder if the west indies had the population and the support india have if there would be more people challanging your claim/point of view of tendulker being the greatest batsman of this era. ive seen both tenduler and lara play in adelaide and from what i saw lara takes the cake! not that sachin wasnt a pleasure to watch.

Posted by: ratnakar at January 12, 2009 11:47 AM

Don Bradman only said Sachin batted like him and this meant the style in which he batted and not the way in which he scored runs...
2 me don is way up above and let me tell u if any one came closer to don in the recent era its brian charles lara and not sachin tendulkar...
with an ever depleting windies team to score the like of 277 in sydney 375&400 in antigua, 153* in Barbados,213 in Jamaica just to name a few is any day beyond Sachin tendulkar who everyone likes for the fact that he came on to the world scene at a very young age not to mention the fact india being the commercial superpower at the moment in world cricket.whether or not anyone likes 277 is the first hundred by lara and its still regarded as an epic innings by sobers & co...
the so called pressure of pleasing a billion indian fans is nothing compared to when thewhole world is at your feet close on the heels of 375 and 501 in june 1994. india had so many other good players coming along in sehwag,dravid,laxman,ganguly...

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 12, 2009 2:06 PM

Prashant is obviously just annoyed that Bradman isn't an Indian.

Oh well back to the point.. South Africa are looking very balanced now but we'll see if some new Australian players will ruffle feathers over there. Still rate England as a good chance to get close to number one. Don't think India will ever conquer outside India.. the pitches in other countries don't give the spinners the same chance. So for me it's looking like India, SA & ENg in the top 3 with Australia fourth but getting ready to re-group. With Phil Jacques just waiting to get back into the side and people like Brad Hodge just waiting for another chance it will very, very exciting in the next few years as teams play musical chairs in the number one spot. I just hope 20/20 doesn't derail test or one day cricket because it will hurt the game irrevocably. Old Chinese proverb "May you live in interesting times".. in cricket terms these may be the most exciting ever.

Posted by: Prashant at January 13, 2009 2:58 AM

Hi Brendan
i posted a comment a while back.
it isnt up as yet.
what gives?

Posted by: Brendan Layton at January 13, 2009 4:32 AM

I don't admin them dude, Inbox is adminned by Cricinfo even though the content is from the fans. I don't have a say in the comments bud.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 13, 2009 5:31 AM

Geoff, India don't need spinners to take wickets outside India. They have a host of fasi bowlers who can be as good as the best in seamer-friendly conditions. In fact in the last two or three years, Indian pacers have consistently outdone pacers from England, Australia, new Zealand, South africa in their own respective countries. They do it with old-fashioned swing and seam, not with pace as many bowlers from other countries try to. Remember Zaheer Khan picking up the most wickets in England 2007, and Sreesanth doing the same in SA 2006? You seem to still live in an age where India used only to win at home on dustbowls. Grow up, man and look at the changed face of the Indian team. In the last two series in India, Indian pacers have got the man of the series awards on flat pitches, not any Brett Lee, Mitchell Johnson or Andrew Flintoff.

Posted by: REDNECK at January 15, 2009 12:53 AM

@abhyuday yes i agree india have the best pace attack they have ever had, and im sure they might prove this in new zealand soon where they have had little to no success in the past. but come on they impressed in aus last year but brett lee was still man of the series and clark and johnston also took more wickets than any indian quick in that series! hardly outdone!!! you give examples in england and s africa where the quicks have done the job but you have little to back up your claim in new zealand and australia!

Posted by: abhyuday at January 16, 2009 11:48 AM

@redneck, well I agree that indian seamers have not performed well in aus but they did perform well in nz when they last played there. Z Khan took five-fors in both tests. The point I am trying to make is India are not dependent only on spin nowadays, pacers can do the job as well. also the aus series was 1 year ago. In the past year, both Zaheer and Ishant have improved phenomenally. Ishant has added the slower ball and outswinger to his armoury and zaheer is the best with the old ball. So right now, if India were to tour Aus, they both would achieve greater success than in the past.

Posted by: Sekhar at January 17, 2009 7:18 AM

Leave alone,Bodyline,Bradman wouldn't stand up to even Glenn McGrath.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 17, 2009 3:53 PM

don't be ridiculous Sekhar!

Posted by: Bala at January 18, 2009 10:29 AM

Nice one mate!!
To be honest 2009 will be filled up for a good part by the IPL and the T20 WC..Perhaps the champions trophy will come back again...
So with the least or wotever tests we get the predictions seems to be based ONLY on the 2008 performance..barring Gambhir!

As someone else said, cricket is never predictable!! Though the claim is about not compromising the test series...it is ironic that ultimately tests are losing out here

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 19, 2009 1:20 AM

Tests aren't losing out.. only in the "newer" test playing nations like India, Sri Lanka & Pakistan are tests losing out.

I personally wouldn't care if it went back 80 or so years and we only played West Indies, South Africa, & England. It seems to me it might go back to the way that cricket should be played with teams from the sub-continent only there (in a test playing sense) as novelty value.

IPL, ICL- the whole 20/20 thing (plus one day cricket).. you people can have it and keep it as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: aeophix at January 19, 2009 9:02 AM

I think south africa have had a few luckey breaks in their recent series against australia. They did deserve atleast a series draw, and I was happy to learn that they had one the series 2-0.

The 3 teams to watch ths year in my opinion would be South Africa England and New Zealand.

South africa are the up-and-coming number one test nation in the world and history is always a fun thing to watch.

I'm interested in England because of the whole coach and captain issues. I also find a few of their players really interesting to watch. A Strauss A Cook A flintoff and KP.

New Zealand will be an interesting team to watch because of their younger players, most of which have huge talent an potential. Watching the side get much needed experiance this year will be a great thing to watch. I also want to see D Vettori develop as the words best left hand slow bowler, a good solid captain to follow in S Flemings footsteps.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 19, 2009 12:53 PM

Geoff, why don't you forward your wonderful suggestion to the boards of Aus, SA, Eng and WI and also to the ICC and start a "sub-continent-hating" forum with people who are as narrow-minded and biased as you. We don't care about your useless comments. Yes, test cricket is not watched by as many people in the subcontinent, but that does not mean you have to exclude them from test-cricket. Its the players' opinion that count and most players will vouch for test cricket any time. It is players from your part of the world(Symonds and also a few playing shield cricket) who are more interested in IPL than representing Aus in tests. Also 20/20 started in England because people were staying away from cricket grounds to watch EPL. Remember that!

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 20, 2009 7:25 AM

Hey Abhyuday,

My point wasn't a jingoistic one even if it easier & simpler for people like you to play the race card (yawning).
If Sri Lanka, Pakistan, & India aren't keen on test cricket and the players & spectators are keener on one day & 20/20 cricket then my point was just keep em'.
Test cricket was just fine before India & Pakistan joined and I'm sure that it would be fine again without them.
And I've never seen an Englsih test series anything but sold out- so don't understand your point there. Here in Australia we still appreciate the original game so my point was if you have stopped appreciating the real thing, then drop it and play whatever you like. If you ask Cricket Australia or the ECB to drop either the ashes or all 20/20 I'm sure everyone on here will know the answer to that question. So play the race card all you like it isn't Australians or Englishman turning away from test cricket in droves.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 20, 2009 3:38 PM

Geoff, you also don't seem to have understood my point. I had said that the players, be it India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka, do give test cricket the primal importance. If you didn't know that, I can't help it. so as long as the players of a country are willing to play test cricket it cannot be said to have died. When the board,players, all refuse to play test cricket then only it is a serious threat. Also I know for a fact that there are quite a few players in the domestic schemes of many countries(yes, India included) who are more interested in the IPL, so it is just a bit unfair to lay the blame only on the subcontinent. Besides, I don't think too many test series involving the teams you have mentioned have been worth watching(Except Ashes 2005). On the other hand india have produced some fantastic series with Aus(2001,2004,2007) and Pakistan(1999). To deny this would be pure snobbishness. Lastly, I have not played the racist card anymore than you have.

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 21, 2009 4:32 AM

Where were all the crowds then when Tendulkar broke the test run record? At least test cricket is watched regardless of the result here & in the UK. India actually won the series and no-one was there.
The players may all want to play test cricket but 20/20 franchisees sprung out of the sub-continent and that is where my anger lies. The enemies of cricket have used the 20/20 popularity to truncate the game into a smaller easier to eat form and even here 20/20 is being talked about to get people off the playing grounds in summer quicker. I suppose I am angry with all the money & influenece in cricket now emanating from the sub-continent and what has that got us? A proliferation of one day cricket, people legally chucking, and now this 20/20 debarcle. I'm not racist at all I just think cricket would be better off controlled by the people that invented it not hi-jacked by johnny-come-lately's.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 21, 2009 3:13 PM

Geoff, you are right in criticizing the money and politics involved in subcontinent cricket. I also feel the same way for Lalit Modi and his ilk. But I need to clarify something about the crowds. In India, the BCCI keeps the price of tickets in test matches so absurdly high, that most of the common indian people cannot afford to watch test matches at the grounds. they mostly watch it on TV. Television viewership of tests is quite high. However you must have noticed lots of schoolkids who are allowed free entry. Seeing them watching tests doesnot allow me to become as pessimistic as you about the future of test cricket in India. On the other hand in Eng and Aus, people can afford to pay the reasonable amount of money to get into grounds. Also most of the times the stadiums in India(eg. the one at Nagpur)are so far away from the main city, that conveyance becomes a problem. If the BCCI can address these difficulties, I have no doubt that attendance at tests will increase significantly.

Posted by: Gaurav at January 21, 2009 6:30 PM

Geoffrey,

Bangladesh did play in 1930s and 40s. That time the weakest team was India. And Bradman made plenty of runs against India, West Indies etc who were weak teams.

The standard of cricket at that time can be compared to county cricket now. So a County Star averaging 100 will average 40 today.

I bet Bradman would have struggled against Video Tapes, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Shane Warne, etc. I bet he would have broken down after playing 300 ODIs and 100 tests and touring nearly 200 cities in 10 years.. Average of 100 is just non sense for a low class era.

Posted by: Ron at January 21, 2009 7:33 PM

I am amazed at the prejudice and ignorance shown by some of these fanatical Tendulkar supporters. By the way, Gaurav, by your token of argument the greatest player of all time was Keith Miller, who served as a night fighter pilot in WWII. By your argument, once you adjust for all the mental trauma Miller would have undergone(war time fighter pilots are slightly more pressured than batsmen, you'd concede), he'd probably be the greatest batsman of all time by a whisker, and the greatest bowler by a long mile.
Oh and by the way, if you're talking about longevity, Bradman came out of retirement in 1946 after losing the best years of his career to War,to emerge as the highest run scorer in that year's Ashes. That was 18 years after his debut. He played for two more.
And by the way, if you remove India and West Indies, then the Don's average does drop...to 97.23.

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 22, 2009 12:34 AM

So Gaurav,

How do you think a modern batsman would cope with uncovered wickets, no helmets or modern protective equipment? Your arguments are pretty slim given that Bradman played only one series against WI & one against India, the rest of his tests were against the strongest teams available.

And the comment about averages.. well if you think that Dennis Compton would have averaged 25 at the same time as Bradman averaging 50 then you have absolutely no idea about cricket. Maybe you should actually watch some cricket from an earlier era than yours before making such nonsensical statements.

Posted by: redneck at January 22, 2009 1:26 AM

@Gaurav. never mind the technology and the modern bowlers you think would have brought bradman undone. it also works the other way around bradman could also use video to study any bowler who may be a handfull and work out a way of playing him! id like to see any cricketer of today prepair for a series by getting on a boat for 3 months to take you to the other side of the world play on sticky wickets of which many would be deamed too dangerous to play on today and also hold a down a full time job to pay your bills and as bradman did complete a degree at universtity! he also came back after world war 2 a peiriod in which picking up a cricket bat would have been the last thing on his mind! add to that facing fast bowling targeted at your head without a helmet(clearly more daunting than facing ambrose with a helmet). just because he didnt play against a decent indian team in order to make his runs doesnt mean he didnt punish the best bowling attacks of his era. anyone who doubts is a fool

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 22, 2009 4:01 AM

And Gaurav one more thing..

Bangladesh only became a nation in 1971 so I doubt they were playing test cricket in the 20's & 30's. Check your history mate it seems a tiny bit skewiff.

And if the Don were playing today with all the fitness, nutrition, ball machines and modern pitch & bat technology at his disposal I think he would be averaging over 100 in test cricket not under it.

Sad thing is back then people played sport all the time as a past-time. No TV's, a few radios here and there.. nothing to do but play cricket. And he did for hours every day hitting a golf ball with a stump against a round brick water tank stand. Who has that kind of training today? Nobody. Kids these days have too many distractions. We'll never see anything like the Don again and that is probably good for the game. But ANYONE who says that ANYBODY remotely compares is living in a kind of cricketing dream land.

Posted by: Ron at January 22, 2009 12:48 PM

But having said that, @Geoffrey...your comment that Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards were better than Tendulkar and Viv Richars is stretching it. I'll assume it's just a romantic notion rather than a serious argument, just like someone might like to believe that Archie Jackson was the greatest bat of all time.

Posted by: Gaurav at January 22, 2009 9:25 PM

Geoff and All Bradman supporters,

When I said Bangladesh existed in 1930s, I meant the "minnows of 1930s". Minnows existed in all eras. If you see Gary Sobers average - he plundered runs against India and 8 out of 26 hundreds were against India. Against Australia he averaged only 43????

Same for Bradman, one series a year, same old bowlers, same team, same grounds, same, same same. Come and plunder runs.

His average would have come down a lot if he played 150 test matches and played 400 ODIs. Its a physical and mental toll. Too much pressure day in day out.

Look at the standard of fielding in those days. Couch potatoes used to field. Rotund bellies used to score runs. People aged 45 and 50 used to play TEST CRICKET!! look at that standard man.

What I want to point out is - Had Bradman been born in today's era, he would have been similar to a Lara or Sachin or Sobers or Richards.. average of 50 or 60 or 65 .. that doesn't mean much at this level.

Posted by: Prashant at January 23, 2009 4:59 AM

Geoff
Geoff, like I said as per your limited linear logic Emerson with 13 slams is practically twice as good a player as say Mac (7). Do you get it? No,don’t think so.
Am afraid you still have to learn a bit about sport as opposed to math.

I suggest you read this:
(May, just may, open your mind a bit)
"Only Sachin Tendulkar can equal Don Bradman" by John Woodcock.
The link:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article5365967.ece
There's also the well known story which goes:
It was 1992. The 18-year-old was up on his toes, carving bowlers like cuts of prime Australian beef to all parts of Perth's WACA ground. The murmurs around the press box grew. The boy had ability, potential, even the makings of a world-class batsman. John Woodcock could bear it no longer. The cricket correspondent of the London Times, wearing his 70s well, stood up, put out his hands and called for silence. "Gentlemen," he declared, "he is the best batsman I have seen in my life." A pause later: "And unlike most of you, I have seen Bradman."

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 24, 2009 12:42 AM

I'm going to leave this with a simple anecdote that relates to Jeff Thompson & Dennis Lillee. During the 1975 ashes when they were terrorising the Poms in Australia the Don asked to have a net against Lillee & Thommo. He got padded up (a man in his 70's) and the two bowlers quite reverantly bowled medium pacers at him. "No" said Sir Don.. "let me have hit".. both bowlers bowled quicker and quicker at him and were amazed how he got behind every ball and middled every shot. Jeff Thompson spoke afterwards "I could see that even in his 70's he was twice as good as Greg Chappell" and Lillee said "I'd reckon if he was fit enough he could play for Australia tomorrow". And he was IN HIS 70'S. So take 50 years of ageing off him and what would he have been capable of. No true cricket follower puts Tendulkar in the same class as Bradman. He is on his own. PS: Ron.. Archie Jackson is my favourite batsman. (:

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 24, 2009 3:34 AM

Sorry- a historical correction. Donald George was 67 when he played the fastest opening bowling combination of all time with ease.
Give Tendulkar a 2 pound 4 ounce cricket bat on an uncovered wicket with proper boundaries and no helmet, arm guard or chest guard and see whether he would average 99.94 at a strike rate of 80? Don't think so. And I don't think that anyone could logically argue otherwise (unless they bring up totally unrelated sports or other inane comparisons).
On the other hand the Don with a helmet on, short boundaries, docile drop in pitches, defensive fields, and these new "super" bats that feel like a 2'4 but weigh 2'10 or above?
Absolute bloody carnage.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 24, 2009 8:38 AM

Personally I think Bradman was the best of all, but there are some interesting things to notice. First of all, Bradman was not a god, hence he too surely had some shortcomings. To say he would have been able to dismiss all modern day bowlers with equal aplomb is nothing but pure extrapolation. Secondly, although his batting against fast bowling is proven beyond doubt, I don't think he played many top quality spinners except O'reilly and Arthur Mailey, that too in domestic matches. So it is safe to assume that his ability to play top-class spin bowling on turners is not proven yet. So it would have been interesting to see how he would have coped with the present day great spinners on subcontinent turners.

Posted by: Sanket at January 24, 2009 12:29 PM

According to Bradman, Sobers was the greatest player to have played cricket- a great batsman, a great fielder, and a very innovative bowler. I think Sachin is the greatest batsman playing today and the second best batsman, I have seen after Brian Charles Lara.

Posted by: Geoffrey Plumridge at January 26, 2009 5:13 AM

Sobers was certainly a better batsman than Tendulkar.. but he wasn't 2 thirds the batsman that Bradman was.

And Abhyuday.. never heard of Headley Verity? Probably the greatest left hand spin bowler of all time? Keep looking into the history of cricket my friend.

I think the new lbw law would have thrown the Don a bit and he would have played forward a little more but with that hand eye co-ordination he would have adapted. The man was a machine.

Posted by: Prashant at January 26, 2009 6:08 AM

Geoff and co.

Perhaps you should contact Mr.Woodcock and other such non "true cricket followers" of the game(who have seen and know more about cricket than you probably ever will) and continue your limited,linear,flawed argument with them?

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 26, 2009 7:01 AM

Prashant,

For every derogatory comment the Don received in his career (and for decades after).. the Don answered with straight statistics.

A bit sad that the same jealousy exists even now. I'm sorry that the best Batsman in the history of test cricket wasn't an Indian, but an Australian.

Test average of 99.94? The best ever. Simple.

Posted by: abhyuday at January 26, 2009 11:34 AM

Yes, I know about Verity, but I was not sure whether the don had played against him since he was playing even before the don started in the late 1920's. Anyway, thanks for the information.

Posted by: Prashant at January 26, 2009 1:55 PM

Geoff,
have you actually read the woodcock article i mentioned? If you did, even with limited intelligence you will realise that it provides a rebuttal to your myopia.
But of course woodcock was just being "jealous"
The most revered observer in the game today, Benaud, categorically states that tendulkar is the “best batsmen he has ever seen.”(Not to mention other worthies such as woodcock and co.). Practically every top batsman in the modern era: Lara,Ponting,the Waughs,Jayasuriyas,Sangas,et al…all state the exact same thing.
Lara ,Ponting have said categorically stated that tendulkar is the best that they have ever seen or played with. Remember, Lara has seen Viv and played with him too.
So ,it is amazing that you can actually sit there with your extremely limited armchair knowledge of cricket/batting and make sweeping statements like sobers was “certainly “ a better batsman than tendulkar. I wonder whether you yourself, after a little introspection, realise how daft you sound.

Posted by: waterbuffalo at January 26, 2009 3:59 PM

Very interesting debate between Sir Geoff and Lord Prashant,I won't weigh in lest I be accused of being a 'paki'. Didn't know that names like Nick and Geoff were Pakistani learn something new every day. Was a time when I would have been ecstatic at an Oz/Pak series, not any more. The 14 months without Test Cricket has set Pakistan cricket back 5 years,won't go into details, but a certain league in a certain country has all but decimated the side. Mohd. Yousuf broke Viv Richards' record for runs in a calender year but looks like he won't be going to Australia. Instead we are stuck with one day players right through the order (see Sri Lanka's 234 run win) We have Umar Gul and Danish Kaneria but the rest are seriously short on quality, so I'll concentrate on SA/OZ and England instead. If Ponting wins the toss and Stuart Clark and co have 450 to defend, the Aussies could reverse the result. I am not convinced with England's batting,Collingwood and Freddie might have to save them. Cheers.

Posted by: waqas at January 26, 2009 11:43 PM

@prashant
dont manipulate the facts in ur favour ,Benaud said after Don the best i have seen is Tendulkar.Tendulakr can be compared with Lara not with Don but unfortunately he was not indian.such a dwarf approach to compare Don with Tendulakr can only be expected from ur side.

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 27, 2009 12:11 AM

Abhyuday,

Verity's test debut was in 1931.. two years after the Don started playing test cricket. So keep reading.

Prashant.. Tendulkar is as good a batsman as Ponting & Kallis and Lara. No better.

Don Bradman, Gary Sobers, George Headley, Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards, Ken Barrington & Len Hutton are all better players than the ones mentioned above.

And if you can't see that you don't know your cricket or are just jingoistic about the nationality of your favourite cricketers.

Posted by: Brendan Layton at January 27, 2009 7:23 AM

I'm disappointed that this discussion has disintergrated to such a point. Bradman and Tendulkar are poles apart and the eras they play in were completely different. Stop flogging a dead horse.

And just something to add to the discussion, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard or read someone described as the 'game's greatest whatever' I'd own a continent by now.

Posted by: Ali at January 27, 2009 8:30 AM

@Prashant,Geoff
Prashant,you are right.
As John Woodcock says:
No one is going to ever break Bradman's record average.
but then again,no ones ever going to break Tendulkars tally of 83 international hundreds and almost 30000 international runs( and still counting!)by the time he is through.
But surely,someone in the future(near of distant) will be as good...never mind what particular record of his very own he creates depending on his unique set of circumstances in his particular era.

Posted by: Come on at January 27, 2009 10:35 AM

@Prashant- Come on u cant compare bradman to sachin. They played in different eras different pitches Sachin is the best batsmen now but

Posted by: abhyuday at January 28, 2009 2:45 PM

I agree with Brendan. This is an article on predictions for 2009, not who is the greatest. Yes, everyone have expressed their opinions and that should be it. But no, the bickering continues. Please stop, you are past being serious.

Posted by: Geoff Plumridge at January 30, 2009 12:53 PM

I made my opinion known about the Predictions until some goose decided to compare Bradman with Sachin.. then it was all on.

Posted by: Asif Iqbal at August 8, 2009 6:07 AM

Thanks for your prediction...but ur prediction is preety much one eyed.Your thought about Sakib is true.He has proved it by being no 1 allrounder in ODI....so be careful about Bangladeshis...

Posted by: Ashes at August 29, 2009 3:42 PM

Nice prediction for the ashes.
England facing a "brilliant" Johnson.

  Post your comment
Posting Guidelines >>
Name:
Email Address:
Comments:
characters left
About this blog
'Inbox' will feature submissions from you with us playing gatekeeper as we do with the rest of the site. We will set no rules apart from ensuring a certain quality that you have come to associate with Cricinfo. You may write on the aspects of the game that you hold dear; about matters that rile you; about players, teams and trends; you may share your memories and views, and you may so do so in 100 words or 500. The only tip we will give you is to repeat a line from our style sheet: Brevity is not just the soul of wit, it is the heart of all writing. Welcome. (Editor, Cricinfo)
Submit your piece >>
Categories
About American cricket Ashes Australian Cricket Bangla cricket Batting Bowling Cricket through the decades Cricket videogames Crowds English cricket Extras Fans Fielding IPL Indian cricket League cricket New Zealand cricket Pakistan cricket Pitches Rankings Rules Selection T20 World Cup Twenty20 Umpiring West Indies Cricket World cricket
Recent Posts
Making sense of strange omissions Cricket and generation Xbox Restructure the game around Twenty20 A cricketing renaissance Grandmasters of cricket Where are my slippers? The genesis of a cricket nut Mystery and Magic: Iverson, Ramadhin, Gleeson and Mendis Mystery of the missing wrist-spinners Finetuning D/L method for Twenty20s
Archives
November 2009October 2009September 2009August 2009July 2009June 2009May 2009April 2009March 2009February 2009January 2009December 2008November 2008October 2008September 2008August 2008
RSS Feeds RSS Feed
© Cricinfo 2009