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A rare sextet

Posted by Cricinfo - on 09/03/2008

From Keyur Shah, India

It seems strange that nobody else has observed this before me.

Six of India's current Test side are on the verge of achieving a record which has previously been achieved by very few cricketers in their career. Should Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag and Kumble play in New Zealand when India visits and manage to win a Test there, they shall have personally won a test in all 9 current Test playing countries.

To put emphasis on how significant an achievement this will be, let me disclose that only two players (to the best of my knowledge) have won in all 9 Test playing countries: Inzamam-ul-haq and Waqar Younis. Ricky Ponting hasn't won in Pakistan, but won against them in Sharjah and may be considered, but most other players of the current Australian world-conquering side have missed out in two out of Pakistan, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Now even if we consider those past players who have won in all Test playing nations in their time (with a minimum of 6 test playing nations ie after India and New Zealand were granted Test status), only those players of the great West Indies of 70's and 80's who won in Australia, SA, England, India and New Zealand, and retired before Sri Lanka was granted Test status make the cut (because Sri Lanka was granted Test status in 1981 and West Indies is yet to win in Sri Lanka).

Hence, this will be a great achievement indeed and i will be hoping that these 6 players manage to win a test in NZ and leave a legacy of winning tests in all countries and conditions for the coming generations of cricket fans to follow.

 
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Posted by: Prasanth at September 3, 2008 3:51 PM

It's jus because the all conquering Aus side of the early 00s didn't tour Pakistan. Anyways good POINT.

Posted by: Prasanth at September 3, 2008 4:07 PM

Shane Warne of Australia too have won tests in all the 9 test playing nations plus a non playing one, UAE making him the player to have possibly won in max no. of countries.

Posted by: Amol at September 3, 2008 5:08 PM

Good finding Keyur. One correction - Ricky Ponting hasn't won in India as well. The two tests Aussies won in 2004 were lead by Gilchrist.

Posted by: Arun at September 3, 2008 6:18 PM

Nice piece based on good observation. Stats like this usually go unnoticed.

I hate to nitpick but the great West Indies teams of the 70s and 80s never played South Africa.

Posted by: james in england at September 3, 2008 7:31 PM

i agree with the first replyer. How can Don Bradmen be regarded as the best batsmen ever, when he only played in two countries. he never played quality spin, and he also got out to spin quite a bit. moreover the bowlers of those times are now where near the class of today.

Plus all these replays and so on, idetifies batsmen weaknesses.

The Likes of Sachin, Dravid and Kallis have done all over the world barring maybe 1 or 2 countries. I have seen Bradmen play, and he doesnt look that great, all of his runs were scored with horizontal shots, no straight drives, like Sachin.

most people say Bradmen is the best batsmen ever, well test batsmen, and yet 99% of them probaly havent even seen clips of him bat. Well in terms of technique, the likes of dravid, ponting, kallis and definetly Tendulkar seem stronger and better. Take a look at Sachin, his bat comes down so straight, whereas Bradmens came from third man.

Posted by: ram at September 3, 2008 11:49 PM

How significant would this be? Its a mere statistic and does not tell the whole story. A test win in places like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe do not count for much, and the only reason Kumble and co. figure in this list is because unlike other countries they are not shy of touring.
A better statistic would be most wins in venues against major test countries. I have a feeling the Aussie side of 2000s would win this round hands down.

Posted by: REDNECK at September 4, 2008 1:40 AM

i take it the auther means a single test victory, not a test series win? if that is the case ricky ponting won a test in india in 01 amol and also won a test in pakistan in 98! this isnt significant at all considering austrlaia currently hold test series wins against every test nation home and away bar england in 05! also james in england if you want to knock people for declaring bradman the greatest (which he obviously is in my opinion!) on account of no one watching footage of him batting then how do you know bowlers of that time arent as good as today? have you seen footage larwood and others of that time bowl? and batsman of today have greater assistance from their bats espechally tendulker with his bottom heavy design made for driving and ponting and his graphite bat! and then there are the batsmen friendly wickets of today, particularly in the sub continent. all in all i think ive blown your arguement out of the water! funny do you think the same about w g grace?no cos hes a pom!

Posted by: revnq at September 4, 2008 4:41 AM

James - Bradman averages significantly higher than his contemporaries, whilst Tendulkar averages no more than a great number of players on the world stage today. That's the difference.

Posted by: Tassie at September 4, 2008 4:54 AM

on the money, REDNECK..... series win is all that really matters..... celebrating over 1 match only encourages mediocrity.... which is what all cricket teams bar The BaggyGreens find themselves immersed in!

Posted by: Looch at September 4, 2008 5:05 AM

Wow, what an achievement that would be! Nicely spotted Keyur. Don't you love the way cricket keeps giving us these fantastic stats and trivia. Long live Cricket!!

Posted by: Krishnan at September 4, 2008 9:47 AM

REDNECK, why do you call yourself that? Are you aware of the connotation that word implies? Further this Bradman and Tendulkar nonsense has been discussed ad nauseam and I think it is time to give it a rest. They played 50 years apart from eachother. Further as a matter of common sense - can anyone here say that life in any aspect has gotten easier than it was 50 years ago? Just think about it.

Posted by: dodgy at September 4, 2008 10:19 AM

Good spot Keyur.
As Redneck says, Ponting won in India in 2001.
And Warne wasn't on the 98 tour to Pakistan so he never won a test there (though he did win against them in UAE).

Posted by: Ashwin Kumar at September 4, 2008 1:16 PM

Great man Keyur, for the wonderful piece of trivia....Three Cheers to Dravid, Kumble, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman and Tendulkar.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 4, 2008 1:18 PM

Redneck, ponting didnt play in pak in 98, at least not in the test the aussies won (1st test).

So it looks like he hasnt, and may never get the chance seeing we havent been there since.

Of course, a better stat would be players who won in every country that played tests in their time, eg the great Windies sides never played in SAF, Bang or Zimbabwe, but they won matches everywhere they went. Or the even earlier players - it would become much easier the further back you went.

Seems correct that Warne did not achieve this. Likewise McGrath, he didnt make australia's only tour of bangladesh in 06 (presumably because of his wife's illness)

Ah well good achievement by the players in question.

Posted by: TheTruth at September 4, 2008 5:05 PM

That is what Indian players are good for, making records. The country wins or losses it doesn't matter. The country doesn't groom player of next generation, it doesn't matter. What good are Tendulkar's records when he couldn't even make to a single top 100 wisden innning. What good is he, if he couldn't score more than 500 runs in a series. What good is it, when his century don't account for wins. How can you call him great, when people can only come up 5, lets say 10 best innings test and odi combined!! Go look at number of games he has played, give me a break!!! then you say nobody can play like that for a long duration. Off course, train him against Bangladesh and Weak bowling WI and Eng and grome him to make come back after 2 yrs. No body in international cricket gets a silver platter like him.

Posted by: Amol at September 4, 2008 6:00 PM

I take mine back - you are right Keyur and REDNECK, I had only looked at 2004 and 1998 and missed their Mumbai win in 2001 when Ricky Ponting was there.

Posted by: mini_tugga at September 5, 2008 12:31 AM

A great effort for a such a talented group of players. Although I feel perhaps series wins in all test playing nations may be an achievement more worty or praise. Anyone know any current players who can boast of that success?
Ponting may be a little unlucky to only have had the opportunity for one match in Pakistan, but with both teams scoring over 580 in the 1st innings and Mark Taylor with 426 unbeaten runs for the match a win was never likely!
And for James in Eng...you just can't compare eras. But having said that, why can't the modern greats (Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting etc) avg 99.94 with short boundaries, heavy bats and flat (covered) pitches? Because Bradman is in a class of his own. And horizontal bat shots? You obviously haven't seen the footage of him going down the track and playing a beautiful straight drive back past the bowler!
Well done by the Indian lads.

Posted by: Jay at September 5, 2008 4:04 AM

All those belittling the achievements of these guys should realise that apart from Australia - every single team - and i mean every single team has found winning test matches away from home very very hard. Not to say it doesnt happen - but it is such a rare scenario.
Those who do not understand this part of Test cricket do not know cricket at all.
These guys have played their part in cricket's resurgence in India since mid 1990s. And they have won more Tests abroad than the Indian team won outside in the whole 50 years prior to them. Under Ganguly, the focus was on team composition stability and on winning. (unlike before them when the board would unjustly add and drop players to team and Azhar would beat Zimbabwe, England and Kenya on dust-bowls at home happily).
I am so proud of them and Hats off to them !!!!

Posted by: Ram at September 5, 2008 5:51 AM

Very good achievement. I have been watching cricket for the past 22 years and have seen India's progress in Test matches. Thanks to Ganguly's leadership we have started winning matches abroad. In fact in this decade India has won in all test playing nations barring NewZealand. India should win test match /series and it will be a great achievement for India cricket.

Posted by: Kiwikid at September 5, 2008 8:31 AM

Ah,before everyone finishes patting these fine players on the back, perhaps they should actually win a test in NZ first. Talk about counting chickens before they hatch. Last time they were there they were exposed badly on seaming pitches against a medum paced attack led by Daryl Tuffy!

Posted by: rachit at September 5, 2008 9:06 AM

people like TheTruth interest me with their lack of cricketing knowledge and acumen, but still a head full of useless opinion. Every player is there to score runs. How someone decides that this 100 runs was selfish, that 100 runs were for the team, is beyond me?? EVERY run is for the team...not tendulkar's fault that for most part of his tenure the remaining 10 players didnt do their job half as well. His job was to go out and make runs, and he made truckloads of them. Can you deny THAT truth, TheTruth?

Posted by: K Patel at September 5, 2008 11:45 AM

I also would like to see India win a series in New Zealand that would be a great achievement and congrats to the players who are going to achieve a new achievement if they win a test in New Zealand

Posted by: vamsme at September 5, 2008 1:48 PM

Whatever the comments may be, Indian cricketers have come this far and we should cheer them to win a test in New Zealand.

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