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November 21, 2008

Posted by Mike Holmans on 11/21/2008

Come together



Another game, another loss. 3-0 down with four to play, England need a miracle. Failing that, what can be divined from what we have seen so far, apart from the obvious fact that India are a lot better?

At least the third game wasn’t quite as embarrassing as the previous two. If they continue to improve at this rate, they might win a game before the series is out. It is frustrating because the players in the team are actually pretty good. Individually, these boys can play: where it goes wrong is when they all have to do it together, because the team does not know how to function collectively.

That is not an allegation that the team is faction-ridden or fighting amongst themselves – they at least appear to be a harmonious bunch – but that the cogs of the machine rarely mesh together and produce something more than a bunch of independently-spinning axles.

But I am convinced that each individual in the England team is a good enough player. Changing the personnel is unlikely to have much effect (although I have no idea at all why Alastair Cook is in the one-day squad). The selectors should now leave well enough alone and let them work out how to win a game which is not at Chester-le-Street or The Oval.

The one possible exception is Monty Panesar, who is now in India but not officially part of the squad.

However, I don’t see him providing any useful answers. That he cannot bat is not the problem: at worst we end up with a tail of Harmison, Anderson and Monty. That he is feeble in the field is something of a problem, but it ought not to be beyond the wit of the rest of the bowlers not to bowl lines and lengths which encourage the batsmen to hit it in his direction all the time. The real problem is that he is so slow to learn anything.

In Kanpur, Harbhajan effectively throttled England’s middle order by bowling differently to the way he had at Indore, and he will no doubt bowl yet differently in Bangalore because he will be able to read the pitch and the situation when he bowls and produce something appropriate. The chance of Panesar being able to emulate that is zero. At least Swann has some chance of doing so, even if he is much less of a bowler to start with.

So what hope is there for the line-up we saw today? Some, if you ask me, though I don’t claim to know anything much about 50-over cricket.

KP chose not to follow the advice I proffered in my last post but did the next best thing by promoting Bopara to open. He may have no experience of it at county level, but anyone who can get a double hundred in a 50-over game has to be worth a go, and today’s effort makes it a good move. But Bell seems to have taken some notice, so I will desist from sharpening the axe I was threatening to bring down on his neck.

I am agnostic about the captain dropping Shah to six and going in at three himself. I’m not sure how much more Pietersen offers than Shah: Owais is a faster starter than KP and would do more to keep up momentum when a wicket falls early, but KP would be the first to 70 assuming either of them get there.

I suppose there’s enough evidence that improvement is possible to make it worth watching on Sunday. At least it’s on at a less unsociable time.

 
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Posted by: Marcus at November 21, 2008 3:02 AM

I get the feeling that Pietersen is going to be a captain who'll play his favourites no matter what, even if there isn't that much justification for it. He likes Shah, therefore he'd keep him in the team at either three or six, despite the fact that a player of Shah's experience should have done a lot better than he has. He likes Patel, therefore he'll play him at Swann's expense, despite the fact that Patel really isn't good enough to be a frontline spinner. It works great when the players perform, but when they don't then it does seem a little hard-headed on the captain's part.

Posted by: Anjo at November 21, 2008 3:26 AM

No, I think a bit too much is being read into this, the lack of good partnerships is a bit worrying but that probably has more to do with the conditions and how effectively India have been able to work with them. This team did work very well together against South Africa in the ODIs and they do look good on paper, certainly not as bad as the current scoreline reads.
Here's my little tip to England, the sun sets around 4:30 in Guwahati and the stadium has no lights...

Posted by: Roger@1stSlip at November 21, 2008 8:37 AM

It's always a challenge to win in India no matter how good you are on paper etc.
India are buoyed and especially full of confidence and momentum at the moment having just completed a comprehensive thrashing of the world champions - Australia.
England's bowling attack is weakened by not having a top-line spinner in their side.
English batsman have always for some reason been susceptible to spin in Indian conditions and Harbijhan Singh is a true master of his craft.

Posted by: rob heinen at November 21, 2008 8:58 AM

I feel it's more to do with kp's fresh captaincy. All members of the team were temporarily able to rise above themselves and did so. Now that kp's captaincy is set, good old complacency sets in and with time, a very short span this time around, each team member starts navel-gazing and with it raise self doubt again. As a result the whole team comes apart as can be seen happening in the past few weeks.
It's a - mass - psychological - british - thing. It's always been like that and if not taken out of national denial, will always be like that.

Posted by: Viru Shah at November 21, 2008 9:00 AM

The only problem is the way Indians are playing .. They are in good form right now and in high spirits that is the only reason England are finding it hard.

Posted by: D Rat at November 21, 2008 9:45 AM

England haven't really been naturally gifted at the one day game have they? (not in the past 15 years or so anyway)
remember though that they did beat Sri Lanka IN sri lanka quite recently, which is not an easy task!
although you cant believe it, i think Cook could have a role to play in the ODI team. You've been watching too much T20 cricket if you think every player needs to whack the ball around from the start to finish! He has the potential to become a good accumilator in the mould of a Dravid or an Atapattu.

Posted by: Pochard at November 21, 2008 3:22 PM

Some interesting comments here, but what surprises me is nowhere (here or elsewhere) have I read any hint of concern over James Anderson. Going back to the start of the Eng-SA series, he has taken a total of one wicket, yes ONE, at an economy rate of 5.4, and has never once in all 7 matches bowled his full quota of overs. Compare that with Broad and Flintoff, who have taken 27 wickets between them in the same time. Anderson has, sadly, become deadweight. So why not bring Monty in for him - what is there to lose, apart from a dropped catch or two?

Posted by: Mike Holmans at November 21, 2008 3:50 PM

@Pochard - while there is no formal word-limit on DS posts, examining the Anderson issue, which I agree is worrrying, would have made my piece excessively long. I have no doubt that I shall want to discuss him at greater length in a future post.

@Marcus - This year, Shah has 350 ODI runs whereas Pietersen has 430, but they have almost identical strike rates. I'm deeply suspicious of Shah's credentials for Test cricket, but he is a success in this team, at least compared to the others.

@D Rat - We already have Bell and Collingwood who can do the accumulation thing. The only reason that Cook is anywhere near the ODI team that I can see is that it would be awkward if he isn't an ODI fixture when KP stops being captain, since he seems to be the preferred successor.

Posted by: Albert at November 21, 2008 4:13 PM

Im really trying not to sound too crude... but all the changes or shuffling in the batting order will do no good and England will go an to lose the next game also. The Indians are just too good at the moment. England will win a game only after the indians have got the lead and then go onto complacency mode !!

Posted by: kumar at November 21, 2008 4:59 PM

I think India are on a roll the one dayers after the Australian visit must be like a way to relax. England on the other hand have just come off playing T20 step and are probably underprepared.

talk of modes.

Posted by: jed at November 21, 2008 6:43 PM

@Anjo- Guwahati has lights but have never been used before.

Posted by: Aditya Kapoor at November 21, 2008 8:35 PM

Only writing to see if any one thought Andrew Strauss should be in team. To me he seems to be the right person. I think he lost his confidence due to infighting and he was not favourite of anyone

Posted by: Mike Holmans at November 22, 2008 2:07 AM

@Aditya - Strauss is a pretty weak performer in one-day cricket at the county level. If Ed Joyce weren't leaving for Sussex, I wouldn't pick Strauss for the Middlesex one-day side next season. You may be able to infer that I don't think he is the right person for England.

Posted by: Marcus at November 22, 2008 3:16 AM

Actually Aditya, I thought that Strauss should have played more- England have struggled to find an opener who can score consistently at a good enough pace, but Strauss has an acceptable average, and for an opener a very good strike rate. I certainly think he's worth more of a shot than Cook, Prior, Wright etc.

Posted by: Subra at November 22, 2008 11:22 PM

I don't know what kind of form Mascarenhas is in, but he could wreak havoc on the shorter grounds in India.
I think the the number of common players between Tests and ODIs in the England setup compared to, say, India might suggest that players don't value or are afraid of being (labelled) ODI specialists. Although I don't know how it is exactly, but I suspect England as a nation take the ODIs lightly.

Posted by: mahendra patel at November 23, 2008 7:20 AM

cook is a brilliant test batsman . but just by having him in the sqaud there is a bad smell in the camp . you have to be totally honest when you pick the sqaud/side or there will be mistrust among the players . that will make it harder for them to perform to there potential .

Posted by: sdroy at November 23, 2008 2:26 PM

I believe Trescothick is one player whom England seem to miss in One day Cricket. I think he was their best One Day batsmen in the last decade (barring Petersen, of course). And what set him apart was his ability not to get bogged down. He normally scored at an impressive strike rate and regularly scored hundreds at the top of the order (which is where I believe the current England team is missing a trick or two-- in onedayers you play your best batsmen in the top 4). So much more than in tests Trescothick's departure has hurt England ODI Team. Though Nick Knight's average was slightly better I think Trescothick was far more the better player because of the no. of games he singlehandedly won or threatened to win for England. Average aint the biggest thing in ODI cricket otherwise Bevan and Hussey will be considered the only great ODI players and players like Jayasuriya a very ordinary one, contrary to the fact he is one of the greatest ever.

Posted by: viru shah at November 24, 2008 10:42 AM

Anderson figures this year M 20 I 20 Ovs 132.0 Maiden 1 Runs 747 wkts 10 best 3/61 Avg 74.70 Eco 5.65 S/R 79.2 .. is there some favoritism ??

Posted by: rob heinen at November 24, 2008 1:06 PM

What separates the greats from the rest is the ability ALWAYS to give a bit more. Dhoni has it, Warne has it, Jayawardene has it. Ask Botham how it's done. Maybe if you get him to explore that side in himself and share it with everyone else, the england odi team - as well as the test team, who are being passed left and right for the top spots in test cricket - will find a way to improve.

Posted by: waterbuffalo at November 24, 2008 2:56 PM

One reason I find ODI's boring and very limited in imagination is the fact that England's best spinner is not playing in India. Instead of genuine talent, bits and pieces players are preferred, instead of genuine openers, second rate wicky batsmen are preferred to open the innings. I think Shah has a lot of potential. I cannot wait for the Test series, and for the 7 ODI's to be over. Let's watch cricket where the best players play, and concerns about 'bat a little bit','bowl a little bit' are out the window. Flintoff, Broad, Anderson and Harmison seem, on paper, slightly more formidable than Australia's pace attack, considering Brett Lee's form. I hope to see some reverse swing from the pacers and of course I hope to see Monty Panesar after the second rate Aussie spinners got hammered by the Indians.

Posted by: Paul Stewart at November 24, 2008 5:17 PM

Monty is by far our best spinner but until he sorts out his batting they will not select him for the odi squad. Silly really as at the moment none of our tail are getting any runs

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