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Posted by Tim de Lisle on 11/20/2006 in Selection

Who's in the composite team?





Shane Warne: the best Test captain Australia never had © Getty Images
It’s time to pick the old composite team. If England and Australia were to bury the hatchet after 129 years and join forces, who would make the joint XI? Warning: as in real life, not all these players will still be there at the end of the series.

1 Andrew Strauss
Justin Langer could have one last fling in him, but Strauss is a similar model, only younger. A taste of captaincy did him good: after only 30-odd Tests, he has the presence of someone with twice as many. Has two Ashes hundreds already and power to add with his neat back-foot game.

2 Matthew Hayden
Could have been dropped for the Oval 2005, but instead he survived, made a watchful hundred, and was soon back to his old bullying ways. Alastair Cook, on the other hand, has his work cut out not to be this year’s Ian Bell.

3 Ricky Ponting
In the form he was in a year ago, he is the best batsman in the world today. Against England, over the years, he has been mortal, averaging 40 rather than 50, but that may just mean he is overdue a big Ashes. Just don’t make him captain.

4 Kevin Pietersen
Edges out the revitalised Damien Martyn because he is one of the world’s two most gifted batsmen under 30, along with Virender Sehwag. Front-foot technique could be fallible, but his outrageous chutzpah should bring at least a couple of big scores at high speed.

5 Michael Hussey
In one-day cricket, he is the new Michael Bevan; in Tests, he’s far better. Nothing wrong with Paul Collingwood, but Hussey has the same resilience with more dynamism.

6 Andrew Flintoff
One of only three men present to have made the difference in an Ashes series. A colossus in 2005, he walks into this team, but no need to lumber him with the captaincy.

7 Adam Gilchrist (wkt)
Neither of the wicketkeepers demands a place in this team. Gilchrist had a poor Ashes in 2005 and has kept on struggling since, while Geraint Jones did pretty well then but floundered afterwards. Gilchrist wins because of his destructive possibilities – if he has even a half-decent series, it’s hard to see Australia losing. And you wouldn’t want Jones keeping to this man…

8 Shane Warne (capt)
The best bowler on either side, and in recent Ashes history. He really should have been a Test captain. And in this team, he can be. Suddenly, the field placings and press conferences will get a lot more interesting.

9 Brett Lee
All the fast-bowling spots are debatable, and you might even include someone here who is not expected to play in Brisbane, such as Shaun Tait. Lee’s Ashes record is one of more pace than penetration, and he is in the curious position for a genuine quick of being more adept at one-day cricket than Tests. But he was back to his best last Australian summer and he’s a natural foil to McGrath as well as an exceptional number nine.

10 Matthew Hoggard
There’s a case for Steve Harmison’s pace and bounce, or even for Monty Panesar’s skill and potential. But for the past two years, Hoggard, despite looking typically English, has been England’s best bowler overseas, with 50 wickets at 26. Flintoff is only just behind, with 47 at 28, while Harmison’s figures are the other way round – 26 wickets at 47. Simon Jones would have got this spot if fit, but Hoggard has added guile to his swing and could surprise a few people.

11 Glenn McGrath
Picked on reputation rather than anything he has done since Lord’s 2005, which may turn out to have been his last great hurrah. On one hand, he’s elderly, rusty, and may struggle to get through five days. On the other, he still has four of the qualities that made him great – awkward bounce, pinpoint accuracy, an intimidating presence, and a supreme will to win.

So that’s my team, with seven Aussies and only four Englishmen. What’s yours?

 
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Posted by: marcus at November 20, 2006 12:46 PM

Amazing, that's the exact same team I thought of this very evening! However, I don't entirely agree with your comments on Warne. The best captain we never had? They said the same thing about Keith Miller. Besides, after the countless sex scandals, the drug scandals, the match fixing scandals; if you made him a proper captain, then that's just saying that you can get away with anything if you're a good enough player. I'm proud that our selectors stood up to him and said "enough is enough."

Incidentally, Hussey's far better than Bevan ever was. Bevan basically had to hoick it over midwicket to score fast- Hussey's never had to.

Posted by: Alex at November 20, 2006 12:48 PM

A good set of picks - the 10 and 11 spots are probably the most debatable, but I agree with Hoggard and McGrath in there. If our wounded were fit, I think Jones would come in for Hoggard but Trescothick and Vaughn would miss out (Warne's a good enough captain that we wouldn't need to make room for Vaughn in the batting lineup, and I wouldn't have picked Tresco in my England team).

You mentioned that it could all change by the end of the series - an interesting question is how we expect it to change. I think, of the England players who missed out, the most likely to force their way into this team are Ian Bell and Steve Harmison. For the Aussies, whoever they pick as a third fast bowler has a chance of knocking out McGrath or Hoggard.

Posted by: FB at November 20, 2006 1:06 PM

fair enough all round, highlights difference between the two sides. Lee's record is however average at best against England. Panesar instead? Watching him and Warne in tandem would be something...

Posted by: Neil Harris at November 20, 2006 1:09 PM

Definitely Harmison for Lee, far more potent when he gets it right, and even though Lee's slightly quicker Harmy's bounce makes him more frightening.

Can't argue with the rest

Posted by: Mike at November 20, 2006 1:36 PM

Hmm, Hayden is touch and go if you ask me ... I rate Langer higher. When they both made hundreds at the Oval Langer reached 50 when the score was 66/0. Great captaincy choice.

Posted by: Gary at November 20, 2006 3:18 PM

My only difference would be Langer for Strauss - keeping the special opening partnership with Hayden together...

Posted by: ANDY STODDART at November 20, 2006 3:29 PM

LANGER NOT STRAUSS,MARTYN NOT HUSSEY,MACGILL NOT HOGGARD

Posted by: Gareth Wilson at November 20, 2006 4:42 PM

Brett Lee is without doubt the single most overrated bowler in world cricket. If he gets 20 wickets at 40 again, England will definitely retain the Ashes. Harmison easily gets in ahead of him.

As for the rest, fair enough. You've gone for track record over form or future, so you're with the majority in putting the Aussies as favourites for the Ashes- the tried and tested warhorses above the tyros. Here's hoping the end of the series proves you wrong!

Posted by: Daniel Ashford at November 20, 2006 6:04 PM

Here is my team, picked in accordance with which position they will bat at in this series (which means Kevin Pietersen not being available at number 4, whoopdeedoo i wouldve picked Marto anyway)

1.Andrew Strauss- I think he will step up a notch in Trescothicks absence, and just edges out Justin Langer partly because of Langer not playing much international cricket of late, hes not part of the ODI setup despite hitting the fastest domestic 50 by a WA player a week ago.

2. Matt Hayden- Obvious choice seeing as the only other choices goose is sure to be Cooked, or have its head knocked off by Brett Lee

3. Ricky Ponting (c)- A Test captaincy win ratio better than Waugh or Taylor, not to mention Border. Surely Punter would be given the captaincy role in this side, mostly full of his own players anyway

4. Damien Martyn- Cool headed, technically gifted and in great form is an automatic choice considering the other contenders are Ian Bell and Paul Collingwood

5. Mike Hussey- OK my side is stacked with Aussies but come back and look at this after the series and tell me I was being unreasonable. Hopefully he can avoid the dreaded second-season blues, or as its known in Australia, Michael Clarke Syndrome

6. Freddie Flintoff- There ya go ya whinging Poms. Freddies good though, better than Watson or Clarke. Lets see how consistently he can clear the fence Boxing Day though, these big Aussie ground will make him less formidable, combined with bowling and not to mention captaining a squad that has already had more ins and outs than Ron Jeremy.....or my number 8

7. Adam Gilchrist- I reckon hes going to erase those ghosts of 2005, and we all know he has no trouble getting the red leather up into the Great Southern Stand

8. Shane Keith Warne- God

9. Brett Lee- I hope Strauss and Cook packed a dozen helmets each, and after Edgbaston last year, Jones and Harmison better have packed 20

10. Shaun Tait- Searing in 6-12 overs of old-ball thunderbolts per innings, freeing up Flintoff and Lee to attack even more, and giving Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne time for more pressure building tactics.

Glenn McGrath- Stupid to write off a legend. I read recently the Poms done the same thing in the 1974-75 series when Dennis Lillee was coming back from a serious back injury. And look what happened.

Posted by: Nigel Green at November 20, 2006 6:47 PM

1 Change only from an otherwise aggreable 11: McGrath out, Harmy in.!. That's right..& the reason is simple really. When you consider who else is in the team - & their pace, I reckon most batters would almost welcome a few overs watching Glann's line, rather than potentially being actually afraid of Steve's pace/bounce whammy. Oh & in case reader's react with Hoggard's head instead of McGrath's, I reckon Hoggy will have more wickets come the other side of Xmas.

Posted by: JK at November 20, 2006 6:54 PM

My team would differ only in the bowling department. I would surely have Harmison in instead of Hoggard and also I have a feeling that the dynamic left arm pace of Johnson may be more penetrative than the medium fast accuracy that McGrath offers. Also, Johnson will create rough for Warne to exploit later on in the game......

Posted by: nishant at November 20, 2006 6:56 PM

Pathetically Biased to England,
Strauss for Langer ?
Gilchrist just edges out Jones ?
Hoggard !!!!????
Tim I realise you are English and patriotic , but you will lose credibility with such picks

Posted by: Ian at November 20, 2006 7:39 PM

Tim

Before I read your team I would have come out with something slightly different. But your logic subdues me. The only spot I change is Panesar for Hoggard. Unless you're on a greentop, in which case I'd have Harmison anyway.

Posted by: Ben at November 20, 2006 7:59 PM

I don't really have any disagreements with your selection other than perhaps Lee. I'm confused as to whether you've pick a general Ashes XI or a composite team to play in Australia given your focus on the away stats of the England team or a composite team full stop. Lee is a good bowler in Australian conditions, but overall his record is not as good as Harmison's and he doesn't have as good an Ashes record. I'd probably have the same team but with Harmison for Lee and Liam Plunkett for Warne to strengthen the batting.

Posted by: Aidan at November 20, 2006 8:04 PM

I'd pick exactly the same team as the author, except Langer over Hayden and Panesar/MacGill for McGrath at Sydney/Adelaide.

Posted by: Alex Wilson at November 20, 2006 8:30 PM

Strauss
Trescothic (when ready to return)
Ponting
Pietersen
Bell
Flintoff
Hussy
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
Panesar (on a spinners wicket) Hoggard (otherwise)
Magrath

Posted by: mark at November 20, 2006 8:49 PM

pretty similar to be honest. My only change would be to try and squeeze ian bell in there. while bell's ashes were poor last time around, this time he will be the team's Vaughan.

Posted by: Euceph Ahmed at November 20, 2006 9:19 PM

Matt Hayden, Adam Gilchrist, Glen McGrath... If I were the England captain I'd be dead set to make them announce their retirement after the series.

Posted by: GW at November 21, 2006 4:10 PM

This is a REAL composite team:

Justin Strauss - JL's fight, Strauss's youth
Matthew Cook - Hayden's hammer with Cook's phlegm
Ricky Ponting - no improvement possible!
Ian Pietersen - Bell's technique, KP's eyes
Michael Hussey - he's Collingwood, just better
Andrew Flintoff - nothing the Aussies can lend him
Adam Read - Gilly's batting, Read's keeping
Shane Warne - he'll do
Monty Giles - Monty bowls, Ash bats & fields
Brett Hoggard - pace, swing & yeoman cliches
Glenn Harmison - pace, accuracy & a great tourist

Posted by: ernold same at November 21, 2006 7:48 PM

Pieterson and Flintoff pick themselves. It was interesting to see Harmison's poor stats over the last two years, and I'm a big Hoggard fan, but if this composite team were playing in Australia I think Harmison would be more potent with the kookaburra ball on hard pitches..where as if it were being played in England...hoggards swing and guile might complement mcgrath and lee nicely. Hoggy is going to have to bowl out of his skin in this series...bowling at 80mph when its not swinging, with a scuffed soft ball...Im not saying he's not up to it, but fear he may have a few days reminiscent of 2002-hoping im wrong here!

Tough call on Langer -I'd be inclined to pick him ahead of Hayden- but as much as it pains me to say it-I think they both shave it ahead of Strauss...although I happen to think in the long run, he'll go past gower and score 9000-1000 test runs.

So only 3 englishmen for me I'm afraid- but we're greater than the sum of our parts and can still compete with the aussies this winter- I think this age factor will also play into our hands at some point..they're not just old, they're ancient.

Posted by: Wang at November 21, 2006 8:47 PM

Pretty much spot on - it'll be interesting to see how the team stacks up at the end of the Ashes.
The only thing that i disagreed with was Gilchrist only just getting the keeping spot. Honestly, an average series for Gilchrist is as good as an excellent performance from Jones. I'm not sure if Jones would get a game in many of the State sides in Oz.

Posted by: Peter Howard at November 21, 2006 11:11 PM

I would pick pretty similar, with the proviso that Harmison would be in for Hoggard in Australia.

Apart from that, where is the logic in saying that G.Jones is only just edged out by Gilchrist? Gilchrist averages 48.80 with the bat (yes, he had a bad season last Ashes, but you watch him this year) and is about 20 000 times better with the gloves. No contest.

As for McGrath, he will come good, and I dont see any reason for any of you to doubt his abilities. Like Gilchrist, watch him this year.

Posted by: Luke at November 22, 2006 1:18 AM

Exactly right Tim - though I would pick Harmison or MacGill over Lee. Every year I pray and hope that he will begin devastating quality opposition, and every year he lets me down.

To those who are complaining about the Strauss pick, that's ridiculous. He's by far the best opener in the world, alongside Chris Gayle.

I'm worried about Hayden - rarely plays well against REAL quality bowling - and Clarke - doesn't deserve an Australian call-up for mine.

If I was English, I would be particularly worried about the batting. Besides from Pieterson and Strauss, and perhaps Bell and Flintoff on one or two occasions, I think that the English batting looks very poor. Flintoff is not a good enough no. 6 and Cook, Bell, Collingwoord will all be out of their depth.

Posted by: sim at November 24, 2006 11:49 PM

Applause to GW for his REAL composite team. As the Greigy would say, that team's playing at 210%.

Posted by: Intrepid at November 25, 2006 8:54 PM

After day three at the Gabba, its all Australians surely..although Flintoff could be 12th man, as we gather he's got some good jpkes which would get the boys relaxed before they went out!!!!!!

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Tim de Lisle is a former editor of Wisden Cricketers’ Almanack, Wisden.com and Wisden Cricket Monthly, where he won an Editor of the Year award in 1999. He is now a cricket columnist for The Times and Cricinfo. A former feature writer on The Daily Telegraph and arts editor of The Independent on Sunday, he writes about rock music for The Mail on Sunday and was shortlisted for Critic of the Year in the British Press Awards 2005. He plays cricket in the park with his children, bowling mediocre offbreaks.
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